reagan said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> talk about that fight night. many think because of where romney is it is a make or break moment for him. i love to hear the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you have mitt romney saying the president is obviously a very eloquent, gifted speaker, david axelrod says i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than romney putting into the debates. let's get real for a moment. who is the better debater really? >> they're both mediocre debaiters. barack obama didn't win debates, joe biden won. actual debates, harvard and yale coaches enjoy will be paul ryan and joe biden. they'll be better. romney is good in a group setting, hasn't done a lot of one on one. the president, john mccain wasn't the best debater either. >> i talked to nathan sproul, how much ground romney has to gain, could be as much as seven points, that's a lot to gain through a debate performance. two guys can be well prepared, one sitting president. >> he did against bush. >> it is no